ASD Fantasy Courtroom Scenarios
Sunday, October 12, 2008

Today we are presenting two fantasy courtroom scenarios. These scenarios are fiction. The dialog is fiction. No government or ASD secrets are being divulged. (We don't know any government or ASD secrets.) The dialog is based on what already is in the public record or on the Internet about the ASD case. It is designed to make some of the issues more understandable.

There is no way to know how the ASD case will evolve, of course. Regardless, the issues are real, and this imaginary dialog is designed to help readers see them in context.

Fantasy Courtroom Scene 1: 'For The Rebates'

Prosecutor: Mr. Doe, what did you advertise on ASD?
Mr. Doe: Nothing. I put up my Facebook page because I needed to get something in the rotator.

Prosecutor: Why'd you need to get something in the rotator?
Mr. Doe: To satisfy the requirement that I advertise something.

Prosecutor: Did ASD ever confirm whether you had a legitimate product to advertise?
Mr. Doe: No.

Prosecutor: Did you care if you sold anything?
Mr. Doe: No.

Prosecutor: Is there anything for sale on the Facebook page?
Mr. Doe: No.

Prosecutor: So, you advertised on ASD, even though you had nothing to advertise?
Mr. Doe: Yes. That's correct.

Prosecutor: How much did you make with ASD when you had nothing to advertise?
Mr. Doe: About $10,000.

Prosecutor: You made $10,000, and you didn't sell a single product through your advertisement, right?
Mr. Doe: Yes. That's correct. All I did was pay money to ASD and click on ads for six minutes a day.

Prosecutor: Did other ASD members see your Facebook page?
Mr. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: But they couldn't have bought anything from you, right?
Mr. Doe: Right.

Prosecutor: So, just to be clear, what you're telling us is that you didn't have a product to advertise and yet still bought advertising. People couldn't have bought anything from you, because you didn't have anything for sale. You didn't make a single sale, and still made $10,000.
Mr. Doe: Yes. That's correct.

Prosecutor: How is that possible?
Mr. Doe: ASD pays rebates on advertising purchases as long as you surf.

Prosecutor: But you just said you didn't have anything to advertise. Why did you pay for advertising if you had nothing to advertise?
Mr. Doe: For the rebates.

Prosecutor: So, ASD wasn't about advertising for you? You didn't sell a single product, but you got back all the money you paid to rotate your Facebook page, and you got even more money on top of that. By the time is was all over, you had a profit of $10,000. Is that correct?
Mr. Doe: Yes. That's correct.

Prosecutor: Do you believe your Facebook page in ASD's rotator diluted the value of ASD as an advertising company?
Mr. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Why?
Mr. Doe: Well, I had nothing to sell, so my ad wasn't really an ad. And from a potential customer's point of view, there was nothing to buy. It was just a wasted space in the rotation. ASD advertising is a joke.

Prosecutor: Did you see any other wasted space in the rotation?
Mr. Doe: Yes. I saw other Facebook pages; I saw MySpace pages, and I saw pages dedicated to pets and other pages that didn't offer anything for sale. Sometimes I'd see blank pages.

Prosecutor: ASD charged you $1 for each ad? Correct?
Mr. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Was it worth $1 per click to advertise your Facebook page, from which you couldn't possibly have made a sale?
Mr. Doe: Not without the rebates.

Prosecutor: Did you ever see actual ads for real products?
Mr. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: What kind of ads?
Mr. Doe: For multilevel marketing companies, an occasional local small business, things such as that.

Prosecutor: Ever buy anything?
Mr. Doe: No. I wasn't really interested in the ads; I was interested in the rebates. I'm not saying I never would have bought anything, but I wasn't there for the advertising. I saw a video on the Internet that said a 6-year-old could click on ASD ads. I wouldn't waste money on advertising, only to see an ASD member delegate the chore of clicking on ads to a 6-year-old to satisfy the surfing requirement. Had I seen an ad for a pizza shop in my neighborhood, I might have bought a pizza from it.

Prosecutor: Where do you live?
Mr. Doe: Denver.

Prosecutor: So, an ad for a pizza shop in New York City wouldn't have done you much good?
Mr. Doe: It would have been just like a Facebook ad to me. There was no way to view local ads in my city or even in my state. And there was no way to prevent ASD members from delegating the requirement to click on ads to a six-year-old -- or any person, for that matter.

Prosecutor: From your point of view, would the advertising have been more attractive had it been targeted?
Mr. Doe: It would have been more attractive for both buyer and seller. But, like I said, I was in it for the rebates. All my friends were in it for the rebates, too. We didn't care about the ads.

Prosecutor: Are these friends you met online?
Mr. Doe: Yes. We all go into autosurfs together. My friends tell me about them, and then I tell other friends, and we go in them together.

Prosecutor: So, you're involved with other autosurfs? And so are your friends?
Mr. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Over the years, how many autosurfs have you been involved with?
Mr. Doe: I'd say 10 or 15.

Prosecutor: So, ASD was nothing new to you?
Mr. Doe: Not really. They're all pretty much the same. The owners change the math, but they all have pretty much the same concept. Some pay out more, and others pay out less. Some pay out in compressed time frames, and others pay out over longer periods of time. I see them as high-risk investments. I never put too much money into a single autosurf, and invest in more than one to spread the risk in case one fails.

Prosecutor: How do they fail?
Mr. Doe: Sometimes the government shuts them down, and sometimes they just go away. No one really knows where they go when they go away.

Prosecutor: So, you keep putting money in autosurfs, even though you know the government shuts some of them down and some of them just go away?
Mr. Doe: Yes. I consider it important to diversify.

Prosecutor: But isn't that the language of investing?
Mr. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Is it fair, as you said earlier, to say you saw ASD as an investment?
Mr. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Doesn't ASD call itself an advertising company?
Mr. Doe: Yes. I needed to advertise something, so I advertised my Facebook page. Like I said, I see it as a high-risk investment. I was in it for the rebates.

Fantasy Courtroom Scene 2: 'Garbage In, Garbage Out'

Prosecutor: Mrs. Doe, you own a business, correct?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. I sell hand-crafted, decorative autumn baskets for porches and patios.

Prosecutor: Do you have a 'busy season' for your product?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. I only advertise Memorial Day through Labor Day, when the final sales for autumn occur. It's a part-time business, and there's very little demand for my baskets during other times of the year. Besides, I only want to work three months a year.

Prosecutor: How much do you charge for your autumn baskets?
Mrs. Doe: I charge $49.99.

Prosecutor: What were the gross receipts for your business while you were involved with ASD?
Mrs. Doe: Just a shade under $500.

Prosecutor: So, you sold 10 baskets? How many of those sales came from ASD ads?
Mrs. Doe: I'm not really sure. Most of them, I think. I wasn't advertising anywhere else.

Prosecutor: We'll accept you at your word, that you don't really know how many sales came from ASD ads, but you believe most of them did.
Mrs. Doe. Thank you. That's the truth.

Prosecutor: How much money did you spend to purchase ASD ads?
Mrs. Doe: Twelve-thousand dollars.

Prosecutor: You spent $12,000 to make $500 in sales?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: ASD ads are $1 a click, right.
Mrs. Doe: Right.

Prosecutor: So you paid $12,000 for 12,000 clicks, right?
Mrs. Doe: Right.

Prosecutor: And from that $12,000 expenditure, you made $500 in sales, right?
Mrs. Doe: Right.

Prosecutor: What were the total sales for your basket business the year before you joined ASD?
Mrs. Doe: About $10,000.

Prosecutor: How did you advertise your basket business before ASD?
Mrs. Doe: Classified ads in the local newspaper, and some Adwords ads on Google.

Prosecutor: How much did you spend on those ads?
Mrs. Doe: About $1,000. I didn't want to overspend because there isn't that much demand for my baskets.

Prosecutor: So, just to be clear, what you're telling us is that your basket business grossed $10,000 prior to ASD, with only $1,000 spent on advertising in classifieds and on Google. After ASD, your business grossed only $500, but you spent $12,000 to earn that $500.
Mrs. Doe: Yes. Right.

Prosecutor: If you spent $1,000 last year on local classifieds and Google -- and if you spent $12,000 this year on ASD -- did you not increase your advertising expense by a factor of 12, or 1,200 percent?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: How does spending $12,000 to make $500 make sense, when you could have spent $1,000 to make $10,000? How does it make sense to increase your ad spend by 1,200 percent, only to record $9,500 less in sales?
Mrs. Doe: It makes perfect sense. ASD is my business now. I get paid by ASD.

Prosecutor: So, you've mostly stopped working your basket business because there's more money in ASD? Is that what you're telling us?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: What does ASD pay you to do?
Mrs. Doe: They pay me to surf, to click on ads.

Prosecutor: How much do they pay you to click on ads?
Mrs. Doe: About $120 a day.

Prosecutor: How long does it take you to earn that $120?
Mrs. Doe: About six minutes.

Prosecutor: So, you get paid $120 each day for six minutes of work?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. Right.

Prosecutor: How do you arrive at the figure of $120 a day?
Mrs. Doe: It's 1 percent of my ad spend. I spent $12,000, therefore I receive $120 a day, on average. ASD actually pays out at a rate slightly higher than 1 percent. But I use 1 percent to keep things simple.

Prosecutor: Do you care if you ever sell another basket?
Mrs. Doe: Well, yes, it's always nice to sell baskets.

Prosecutor: But ASD is your most important business now?
Mrs. Doe: Right. Yes.

Prosecutor: Any other benefits to ASD?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. If I keep surfing, I eventually get back my entire $12,000 I spent on ads, plus a profit of about $3,000. I don't do it that way, though.

Prosecutor: Please explain the way you do it.
Mrs. Doe: My plan is to take back 20 percent in cash occasionally, and reinvest 80 percent.

Prosecutor: Sorry. I didn't catch the word you said right before you said 80 percent.
Mrs. Doe: Reinvest. I said 'Reinvest.'

Prosecutor: So, ASD is an investment company?
Mrs. Doe: No. ASD is an advertising company.

Prosecutor: Are you sure about that?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: What makes you so sure?
Mrs. Doe: It says so in the Terms of Service. Besides, I read online that we could get in trouble if we called in an investment company.

Prosecutor: How old are you, Mrs. Doe?
Mrs. Doe: I'm 50.

Prosecutor: Have any kids?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. Three.

Prosecutor: Are they in ASD?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. Two of them are.

Prosecutor: Did you sign them up?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. I received a commission.

Prosecutor: Did they sign anybody up?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. They signed up kids in their dorms.

Prosecutor: So, your kids are in college?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. One's at [College A]; the other's at [College B].

Prosecutor: And both your kids signed up kids in their respective dorms?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. I got a commission for those, too. So did my kids.

Prosecutor: So, you get paid to surf by ASD, and you also earn commissions, and your kids also earn commissions?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. Right.

Prosecutor: How much did all the college kids spend, in total?
Mrs. Doe: About $30,000.

Prosecutor: Do these college kids have businesses?
Mrs. Doe: I'm not sure about that.

Prosecutor: Do your kids have businesses?
Mrs. Doe: No. They advertise my basket business.

Prosecutor: So, you signed up your kids, and your kids signed up kids, you're not sure if they own independent businesses, but they all paid for advertisements.
Mrs Doe: Right. Yes.

Prosecutor: And everybody is getting paid to click on ads?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: And everybody's happy, right?
Mrs. Doe: We were all happy until the government stepped in.

Prosecutor: Why did the government stepping in make you all unhappy?
Mrs. Doe: Because we can't get our money.

Prosecutor: What money?
Mrs. Doe: The money we spent on ASD.

Prosecutor: But didn't the Terms of Service say you were buying advertising, not an investment, and that advertising purchases were not refundable?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: So, if ASD delivered your advertisements, you'd be happy?
Mrs. Doe: Well, no. I haven't recouped my investment yet, and the kids haven't recouped their investment yet.

Prosecutor: But I thought you paid for advertising, not an investment. Wouldn't showing your ads make you whole?
Mrs. Doe: No. I at least want my $12,000 back.

Prosecutor: How many ad credits did you have left.
Mrs. Doe: About 6,000.

Prosecutor: So, about 6,000 of your ads already have been shown?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: But didn't the ASD Terms of Service say rebates weren't guaranteed and that the terms could change at any time and that ad purchases were nonrefundable?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: So, the maximum you'd be entitled to for nondelivery theoretically is $6,000 under the Terms of Service, because 6,000 of your ads already have been shown and rebates aren't guaranteed. And you'd only get the $6,000 back if ASD changed the Terms to make ad purchases refundable. Right?
Mrs. Doe: I see where you're going with this, and I don't like it that you're trying to trick me.

Prosecutor: Are you sure I'm the one trying to trick you, Mrs. Doe?
Mrs. Doe: But the government is the one who shut ASD down.

Prosecutor: What if I told you ASD wasn't shut down?
Mrs. Doe: But ASD is shut down.

Prosecutor: What if I told you there is nothing preventing ASD from showing your ads?
Mrs. Doe: You're trying to trick me again.

Prosecutor: So, you believe the government owes you $12,000 -- at least? Right?
Mrs. Doe: Right.

Prosecutor: What if ASD had pulled the plug on rebates itself? How much would you be owed?
Mrs. Doe: I'd still want my $12,000 back.

Prosecutor: But ASD already displayed 6,000 of your ads. The most you possibly could be owed was $6,000, because rebates weren't guaranteed under the Terms of Service, and the terms could change at any time. And you'd only get the $6,000 back if ASD changed the terms to make ad purchases refundable.
Mrs. Doe: This really isn't right! You're trying to trick me again.

Prosecutor: I'll ask you again, Mrs. Doe: Are you sure it's me who's trying to trick you?
Mrs. Doe: But you're the one who shut down ASD!

Prosecutor: Is it not true Andy Bowdoin could have done the same thing, under his Terms of Service?
Mrs. Doe: Andy never would have done that!

Prosecutor: How do you know?
Mrs. Doe: Because he received the 'Medal of Distinction' from the President of the United States. He is a highly successful businessman.

Prosecutor: Would it surprise you to learn that Andy Bowdoin never received an award from the President of the United States, that the Medal of Distinction is given for campaign donations to the National Republican Congressional Committee?
Mrs. Doe: That's not what my upline told me. I even saw pictures.

Prosecutor: Do you believe Andy Bowdoin received an award from the President of the United States?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: And if I called a representative of the National Republican Congressional Committee to the witness stand to explain that the President didn't give Andy Bowdoin a medal, that the medal was for campaign donations, would that help you change your mind?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: But you're still sure ASD was selling 'advertising,' not an 'investment?'
Mrs. Doe: I'm not sure about anything right now.

Prosecutor: It truly is confusing, isn't it, Mrs. Doe?
Mrs. Doe: I wasn't confused about anything, until you started to confuse me.

Prosecutor: Are you sure I'm the one who's confusing you?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Mrs. Doe, how did your children pay for their ASD purchases?
Mrs. Doe: They took the money out of their college funds.

Prosecutor: Why?
Mrs. Doe: Because I told them that it would be OK, that they'd get the money back and be in profit, and then they'd have money to go to graduate school.

Prosecutor: And they believed you? And they believed you so much that they asked their dorm friends to join ASD?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: So, you told them it was safe, and they told people it was safe?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. We were in early enough.

Prosecutor: Did you just say you were in 'early enough?'
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Early enough for what?
Mrs. Doe: I didn't mean that.

Prosecutor: But that's what you said. What did you mean by saying you'd be OK because you were in early enough?
Mrs. Doe: I read that the government doesn't like autosurfs, that they shut them down sometimes.

Prosecutor: Earlier you said you were 50, that you purchased classified ads in the local paper and ads on Google? Did the newspaper ever suggest you could get the entire cost of your ad back, plus a profit of 25 percent, even if your product didn't sell? Did Google?
Mrs. Doe: No. That's why ASD is better.

Prosecutor: As long as you get in 'early enough,' right?
Mrs. Doe: You're trying to trick me again!

Prosecutor: Are you sure I'm the one who's trying to trick you, Mrs. Doe? You're 50, right? You have three kids, two of whom are in ASD. They used their college money to join, and they joined upon your recommendation, and you joined upon your upline's recommendation. The Terms of Service plainly states that you were purchasing advertising, not an investment, and that rebates weren't guaranteed, and that the Terms could change at any time. You're aware of that right?
Mrs. Doe: Well, right. But it's not the way you put it.

Prosecutor: I didn't put it any way, Mrs. Doe. It's what the Terms of Service says. Would you like me to show you a copy?
Mrs. Doe: No. That won't be necessary; I just want my $12,000 back, and I want my kids' money back, and I want the kids they sponsored to get back their $30,000.

Prosecutor: Did you fill out the form on the government website?
Mrs. Doe: No.

Prosecutor: Why not?"
Mrs. Doe: Because they told me on the forum not to fill out the form, that it was a trick.

Prosecutor: What forum?
Mrs. Doe: Almost all of the ASD forums, the ones sponsored by ASD members.

Prosecutor: And you listened to advice about legal matters on a forum? Where these people lawyers?
Mrs. Doe: No. Just forum people.

Prosecutor: Do the forum people have a lawyer?
Mrs. Doe: I'm not sure, but Andy Bowdoin has a lawyer.

Prosecutor: Are you aware that Andy Bowdoin's lawyer is Andy Bowdoin's lawyer, and not the members' lawyer?
Mrs. Doe: Andy Bowdoin is fighting on behalf of the members!

Prosecutor: Are you aware that, under the Terms of Service, it's Andy Bowdoin's money and not your money, Mrs. Doe? The only thing you purchased was advertising. You did not purchase an investment, rebates weren't guaranteed, and the terms could change at any time and ad purchases weren't refundable. You're aware of that, right?
Mrs. Doe: There you go again . . .

Prosecutor: I'm not going anywhere, Mrs. Doe. But you want me to give you back $12,000, when all ASD would have to do to make you whole is show 6,000 of your ads. It's in the contract. Why should the government give you back $12,000 when all you're owed is 6,000 ads?
Mrs. Doe: You aren't a very nice person.

Prosecutor: You're entitled to your opinion, Mrs. Doe.
Mrs. Doe: This is all so very confusing. You're telling me one thing, and other people told me something quite different.

Prosecutor: What did they tell you, Mrs. Doe?
Mrs. Doe: That this was a 'no-brainer,' that this was 'fool-proof,' that it was completely legal. I brought a copy of the emails and forum posts.

Prosecutor: Mrs. Doe, back when you used classifieds in your local newspaper and Google Adwords, did the newspaper or Google tell you advertising purchases were a 'no-brainer' or 'fool-proof' or completely legal?
Mrs. Doe: No.

Prosecutor: Does it strike you as odd that some people had to persuade you that ASD was completely legal?
Mrs. Doe: A little. Yes.

Prosecutor: Why?
Mrs. Doe: Because everybody knows that advertising is completely legal. I think they oversold the 'legal' part.

Prosecutor: Do you still believe that?
Mrs. Doe: What I believe is that you're trying to make people look bad.

Prosecutor: You're entitled to your opinion, Mrs. Doe. Have you ever complained to your upline and forum people for telling you it was a 'no-brainer' and 'fool-proof' and completely legal?
Mrs. Doe: My upline sponsor is a good person and is completely above-board. He told me not to put too much money in ASD in case something went wrong, that it was important to have a diverse portfolio.

Prosecutor: What could go wrong?
Mrs. Doe: The government has a history of shutting down autosurfs; I read it online after ASD was shut down.

Prosecutor: Did your upline sponsor ever tell you that other autosurfs had been shut down by the government?
Mrs. Doe: No, but he told me it was important to have a diverse portfolio.

Prosecutor: But isn't 'diverse portfolio' the language of investments?
Mrs. Doe: Well, if you put in that way, I'd have to say yes.

Prosecutor: So, your upline sponsor used the language of investments to sell advertising for ASD?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Did you use the language of investments when you sponsored your kids into ASD?
Mrs. Doe: Looking back on it, I suppose I did. I told them the same thing my upline sponsor told me.

Prosecutor: Mrs. Doe, you're 50, and you have experience in business. Are you familiar with the phrase, 'Garbage in, garbage out?'
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Please explain what you understand the phrase to mean.
Mrs. Doe: Well, like computers and accounting: If any part of the data is corrupt, it could lead to a corrupt result. Your computer might shut down if it tries to process corrupt data. And, in accounting, your balance sheet might be off if the numbers used to arrive at the balance were incorrect earlier in the process.

Prosecutor: So, your interpretation of 'Garbage in, garbage out' is that the numbers have to be correct or you could get an unreliable result?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: You wouldn't want an unreliable accounting result, would you, Mrs. Doe?
Mrs. Doe: No. Of course not.

Prosecutor: Do you believe the same 'Garbage in, garbage out' rules apply to language, and not just mathematics?
Mrs. Doe: I'm not sure what you mean.

Prosecutor: Earlier you said that you believed Andy Bowdoin had received an award from the President of the United States. Would you agree that, if this was not true, it would be 'Garbage in?' And if anybody repeated this untruth, it would be 'Garbage out?'
Mrs. Doe: Yes, I would agree with that.

Prosecutor: Would you agree that, if somebody told you ASD was a 'no-brainer' and 'fool-proof' -- and if these statements were untrue -- that it would be 'Garbage in?' And would you agree that, if these untrue statements were repeated, it would be 'Garbage out?'
Mrs. Doe: Yes, I would agree with that.

Prosecutor: Would you also agree that, if someone claimed that ASD was an advertising purchase and not an investment -- and if that was untrue -- it would be 'Garbage in?' And if someone repeated this untruth, it would be 'Garbage out?'
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: Where did you join ASD?
Mrs. Doe: At a rally in Las Vegas.

Prosecutor: How'd you find out about the rally?
Mrs. Doe: I was involved in another program online, and my upline sponsor told me about it.

Prosecutor: How many people did you see in Las Vegas?
Mrs. Doe: Hundreds and hundreds. Volunteers were helping collect the money.

Prosecutor: Mrs. Doe, you're 50. In all of your 50 years, with all your experience in business, have you ever seen people standing in line by the hundreds, waiting in line for hours, to purchase advertising?
Mrs. Doe: No.

Prosecutor: Have you ever seen volunteers collecting money for a professional advertising company?
Mrs. Doe: No.

Prosecutor: So, something about the scene in Las Vegas doesn't compute with you?
Mrs. Doe: Honestly, it does seem a bit odd to me, now that I think about it.

Prosecutor: Mrs. Doe, you own a basket business that grossed $10,000 before ASD, and you spent $1,000 on classified ads in your local newspaper and with Google to help your business gross $10,000. After you joined ASD, you quit advertising in local classifieds and on Google, purchased $12,000 in ads from ASD, and the gross sales for your basket business slipped from $10,000 to only $500, a loss of $9,500. Yet you weren't concerned because you were going to receive your entire advertising expense back from ASD, plus a profit of at least $3,000, and even more because you were 'reinvesting' 80 percent of your paper profits. Is this correct?
Mrs. Doe: Yes. That's correct.

Prosecutor: And you say 'Garbage in, Garbage out' means that, if any of the data is corrupt, the result could be corrupt?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: And you agree that 'Garbage in, garbage out' also applies to language, that untruths told online could help lies achieve virality, setting the stage for a corrupt result?
Mrs. Doe: Yes, I do agree with that.

Prosecutor: I've asked you some questions, and you've given me some answers, and I do appreciate your appearance today. You've asserted the government owes you at least $12,000 because ASD isn't up and running, and that it owes your children money and it owes their friends money. You've made these assertions based on things you've heard from your upline, and based on things you've read in forums, but you acknowledge the principle of 'Garbage in, garbage out?' Correct?
Mrs. Doe: Yes.

Prosecutor: How confident are you right now that this is not a case of 'Garbage in, garbage out?'
Mrs. Doe: Not very confident.

Prosecutor: What makes you say that now?
Mrs. Doe: Because a lot of these things don't make sense, now that I think about them.
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